WWA World Martial Arts Title

[Antonia_Inoki]

Was this really a martial arts title like the wwf martial arts title mentioned on the New Japan forum? it was held by Leon Spinks, a former heavyweight boxing champion, so it could be. but i dont know, who does?

[Antonia_Inoki]

i am a bit disappointed that no one answered so far. i am sure someone knows.

[Luds]

Wasn't it just a title given to Inoki by WWF with his big feud with Backlund?

[edgehead1984]

Wasn't it just a title given to Inoki by WWF with his big feud with Backlund?

No, this title is from FMW, and has no relation to the WWF title. That's all I know, sorry Antonia.

And Luds, their is a thread about the WWF title and the Greater 18 club title in the New Japan forum.

[Tradition Rules]

Was this really a martial arts title like the wwf martial arts title mentioned on the New Japan forum? it was held by Leon Spinks, a former heavyweight boxing champion, so it could be. but i dont know, who does?

Sorry I haven't responded sooner, but I haven't posted here in a while.


The FMW World Martial Arts Title replaced the **ORIGINAL** FMW World Brass Knuckles Title (this actual belt was later recycled to become FMW's Independant World Heavyweight Title). The FMW Martial-Arts Title was created due to the popularity (so I've read) of the UWF and later UWFI and the original popularity that was thought be real mixed martial arts(mma). FMW, as you stated, booked Leon Spinks in addition to Gregory Birkichev (sp?) a Sambo and Judo champion and even some kick-boxers and even some who had backgrounds in Karate-do in the early years of FMW. The idea was to make pro wrestlers look competitive with legit fighters. They even created an FMW Martial-Arts Tag Team Title and when the AWA Light-Heavyweight Title showed up in FMW, it was renamed the WWA Jr.Hvywt Martial-Arts Title.


This/these titles were replaced with the reactiveted World Brass Knuckles Title(now in the form of a new belt that was almost identical to the NWA "domed globe" belt) and the tag team and lt.hvywt titles were replaced with the World Brass Knuckles Tag Team Title and the FMW Independant Jr Heavywight Titles respectively. I believe the reasons were;


A) The "mma" matches FMW promoted were extremely fake looking when compared to the much more realistic and stiff matches promoted by the UWFI at the time so they never really took off for them-

B) FMW had some early experiments with "street fight" style matches that were much success full in terms of popularity with fans, paticulary young fans, and actually looked more beliveable then the "mma" mathces the promoted and,

C) The Independant Jr Heavyweight Title was NOT a "martial-arts" title to be more compatable with the popular high flying Jrs style of the time in the New Japan and indy scene(WAR, Michinoku Pro and even occationally bringing in talent from Mexico).


Then FMW created the Indepndant Heavyweight Title using the OLD Brass Knuckles Title Belt,and was later unified with the NEW Brass Knuckles Title.


If I'm incorrect on any of this,anybody please feel free to correct me.


Hope this helps!


T.R!

[Toshiharu Yashiro]

Hi I'm Japanese fan. If my response to help you, it is happy for me.
Firstly, according to "All History of Japanese Pro-Wrestling"(Published by Baseball-Magazine-Company) , "World Martial-Arts Title" wasn't recognized by W.W.A.
That Championship recognized by WFDA. But no information about WFDA, sorry.

Secondly, "World Brass-Knuckless" actual belt recycled for "Independent-World World Heavyweight title" isn't exactly. "Independent-World World Heavyweight title's" actual belt is the special version of "World Brass-Knuckless title" actual belt.
The actual belt made for Onita's retirement on 95/05/05. But that actual belt wasn't in time for the date. So that actual belt wasn't use until "Independent-World World Heavyweight Title" was established.

So "World Brass-Knuckless" actual belt in FMW were three types.
WWA version, FMW original version, For Onita's retirement special version.

Thirdly, FMW didn't promote "MMA" match that likes called "U-style (promoted by UWF,UWFI and so on). FMW's "MMA" match's was very genally Pro-Wrestling match. But many matches' finish hold were KO,TKO,Submission.

Fourthly, about "Independent-World World" Title's.
In 90/05 Onita announced about "Independent-World" .
It is a World Organization. More than 10 "Independent(it means small company in Japanese Pro-Wrestling scene) Pro-Wrestling Group belong to it.
(WIN[USA], PWF[Florida], WWA[MEXICO], Steve Richard[Southeast Asia and Oceania], Korean Pro-Wrestling Company[South KOREA], CIWF[Calgary,CANADA]and so on).
So, All "Independent-World World" title's competive generally Pro-Wrestling rule.

Sorry my english is poor!!

[Tradition Rules]

[QUOTE=Toshiharu Yashiro]Hi I'm Japanese fan. If my response to help you, it is happy for me.


Sounds good to me! If I'm corrected then that can only be a good thing!


***Firstly, according to "All History of Japanese Pro-Wrestling"(Published by Baseball-Magazine-Company) , "World Martial-Arts Title" wasn't recognized by W.W.A.
That Championship recognized by WFDA. But no information about WFDA, sorry.


This is an interesing part of the response. I have an older FMW Commercial Tape (FMW Volume #4 I believe?) and the screen titles prior to a championship that list the contestants names also lits the Title match as being for the WWA Sekai Martial-Arts Heavy-Kyu Shenshukin Jiai-but specifically has the initials WWA in it. Also the ring announcer is the late Shoichi Arai and he even announces it as the WWA World Martial-Arts Championship. But I have no doubts what you have said is true. Maybe the title was originally supposed to recognized by a WWA promotion/co-promotion or maybe they (FMW) just added the initials to the name?





***Secondly, "World Brass-Knuckless" actual belt recycled for "Independent-World World Heavyweight title" isn't exactly. "Independent-World World Heavyweight title's" actual belt is the special version of "World Brass-Knuckless title" actual belt.
The actual belt made for Onita's retirement on 95/05/05. But that actual belt wasn't in time for the date. So that actual belt wasn't use until "Independent-World World Heavyweight Title" was established.

So "World Brass-Knuckless" actual belt in FMW were three types.
WWA version, FMW original version, For Onita's retirement special version.



Okay,now this makes sense. I came to this assumption because after watching the FMW Story of the F: Stage 3 -which covers the time frame from August 2,1997-JUly 27,1998, right before a "Double Crown" (World Indepentdant/World Brass Knuckles) Title match,the show a close-up of both belts on the sceen,and I was like "Hey,BOTH belts say World Brass Knuckes Champion".

On a side note,what did the WWA Brass Knuckles look like? Any idea?



***Thirdly, FMW didn't promote "MMA" match that likes called "U-style (promoted by UWF,UWFI and so on). FMW's "MMA" match's was very genally Pro-Wrestling match. But many matches' finish hold were KO,TKO,Submission.



I'm sorry if I gave the impression that I ment their matches were like UWF/UWFI, I just ment to indicate they tried to use a MMA influence in their matches. On the same FMW Volume #4 tape however,they DO have Muay Thai Kick Boxing match with one of the contestants being a pro wrestler.

Fourthly, about "Independent-World World" Title's.
In 90/05 Onita announced about "Independent-World" .
It is a World Organization. More than 10 "Independent(it means small company in Japanese Pro-Wrestling scene) Pro-Wrestling Group belong to it.
(WIN[USA], PWF[Florida], WWA[MEXICO], Steve Richard[Southeast Asia and Oceania], Korean Pro-Wrestling Company[South KOREA], CIWF[Calgary,CANADA]and so on).
So, All "Independent-World World" title's competive generally Pro-Wrestling rule.


Well this is an intersting bit of information as well! I had no idea that FMW was connected to all of these promotions on a co-promotional level. But it DOES make sense since FMW DID promotio some shows in Tijuana Mexico,home base of WWA Mexico and southern California. Also, in very early FMW shows they also had about four or five different wrestlers form Korea,this also makes sense. Also didn't Hayabusa work for PWF in Florida and win their singles Championship at one point as well?

***Sorry my english is poor!!***

Don't apologize! Your Ei-go is MUCH better than my Nihon-go!


Sumimasen. Nihon-go wa yoku wakarimasen.

[Hisaharu Tanabe]

Sumimasen. Nihon-go wa yoku wakarimasen.

Me neither.

Heck, I'm poor on both languages even though these are the only ones I speak.

Seriously, for those of you who don't know, Yashiro-san is a regular contributor of the title change updates for my website. I owe him a lot.

[Toshiharu Yashiro]

1.about:WWA actual belt
Have you ever seen picture of another(it means without "Brass-Knuckless Title") WWA title's actual belts. For example "WWA Wolrd Jr. Light-Heavyweight Title".
"World Brass-Knuckless Title's" actual looks like them.

2.about:FMW Double Crown
'96/12/11 The Gladiator wins "Independent-World World Heavyweight Title" from W*ING Kanemura(aka Kintaro Kanemura) as "World Brass-Knuckless Champion".
After this match FMW promoted the "Independent-World World Heavyweight & World Brass-Knuckless" double title match.
Champion has changed Masato Tanaka, Mr.Gamnosuke, Hayabusa.

'98/07/06 FMW announced about championships.
On this day "Independent-World World Heavyweight Title" and "World Brass-Knuckless Title" were unified as "FMW Unified Double Crown Title".
And Hayabusa was reconized as 4th champion (it means The Gladiator is first champion and Tanaka is second, Gamnosuke is 3rd).

'99/05/18 at DirecTV office Kohdou Fuyuki (wins title '98/11/20 from Hayabusa at Yokohama Cultural Gymnasium) vacated title and split double crown as commissioner of FMW.
On same day Yukihiro Kanemura(aka Kintaro Kanemura) was reconized as World Brass-Knuckless Champion and Mr. Gamnosuke was reconized as Independent-World World Heavyweight Champion by Kohdou Fuyuki:commissioner of FMW.

3.about:"Independent-World"
'90/02/16(90/05 is wrong sorry!) The 1st time meeting of "Independent-World" was held at Hotel New-Ohtani L.A. And this meeting U.I.C.S. was formed.
Red Bastein was elected as President. Benjamin Mora Jr. (WWA, MEXICO) was elected as First Vice-President. And Atsushi Onita (FMW, JAPAN) was elected as Second Vice-President.
But there is no information about "Independent-World" or "U.I.C.S." after this meeting until FMW tied up with Michinoku-Pro in '93.
So I don't have any information about relevance "Hayabusa's work on PWF" and "Independent-World" sorry!!

[Slickster]

What did the Independent World World Title/old FMW Brass Knuckles Title look like?