The most original/innovative finisher

[HulgAmanix]

... or special move.

Not much to add here, really, I'd just like to know what you think

[El Pollo Guerrera]

Wow... this is a really tough question. Every time I see a new (or old) Japanese tape I see something original, unique, or something that just blows my mind.

Lately, I'd say the Paradise Lock that Milano Collection AT uses, and a combination Cobra Clutch sleeper/giant swing (I'm surprised that someone from the WWE hasn't stolen that yet...).

[screwloose]

would you mind describing the paradise lock? i've never seen it.

[TRZZXQ]

Originally posted by screwloose
would you mind describing the paradise lock? i've never seen it.

Do you, by any chance, know what La Nieblina is? That's what the Paradise Lock is. He also does the move through the ropes and keeps pressure just by standing on his opponent's hand. It's a hard move to explain, so I won't attempt.
Anyway, I prefer the AT Lock, myself.

[Tradewynd]

That's a very interesting question you ask HulgAmanix. I'm not sure what the most "original" move is nowadays, everything is a variation of something else. As for contenders, the Tiger Driver '91 has to be up there, there shocked the life out of me the first time I saw it. Poor Kawada, I thought Misawa crippled him. I suppose you could argue that the big splash was the most innovative, since it gave way to moonsaults, stardust press, senton and pretty much every other high flying move we see today.

[The Franceman]

Vertabreaker from Shane Helms.

[screwloose]

hey, trzzxq; anywhere i can get a clip of it or a description?

[TRZZXQ]

This is about the best I can do:

Hard to see what he's doing, I know, but this picture gives a little better idea how he's tied up:


Of course, I'm all about the STF(The F is for fashion):

[TRZZXQ]

Entanglement Submission Hold
Used by : Mr. Nielba, Ciclope
AKA : La Nielbina (Nielba)
Description : The victim is on their back. The attacker grabs the victim's arms and pulls them so they are behind the victim's knees. The attacker turns the victim over so that they are resting on their knees, however, their arms are now trapped between the back of the victim's thighs and shins. The attacker then sits on the victim's back adding more weight and pressure to the hold. Posing is optional.

[greenman]

Vertabreaker from Shane Helms

Shame Helms didnt invent that move, im not sure who first came up with it but Toshiyo Yamada was using it as her finisher (called the reverse gory speical bomb) in the very early 90's.

[gansobomber]

the 450 rana. I have no idea who ionvented it, but Dragon Kid uses it and it almost always gets me out of my seat.

[Yoshimitsu]

The mexican surfboard as a submission hold. The tarantula as one of those wacky "not quite submission hold but an effective and innovative wrestling move" and I know i'll get blasted for this but the first time i saw a Van Daminator I was in shock.

[ElGringo]

The T2P submission holds get my vote at the minute; a mid-air octopus hold? Got to love it.

I really like this move Toru Yano busted out when he was allowed his one move on offence recently; it was like a cobra clutch sleeper into a front suplex; he locked in the submission for about a split second, swept around the guy who took the move, using the guy's leg for support and front suplexed him, floating over for a pin, all in one quick movement, and it impressed the heck out of me; I don't often rewind things (with the obvious exception of the Tiger Driver '91), but I did that time. I think New Japan have a real future superstar waiting in Yano; he could be the next Nishimura, only with the things Nishimura lacks; a killer physique and the superstar look. Or, most probabably, he'll be the next Nagata, who he idolises; using more super cool suplexes and some cool strikes as well as the MUGA-ish submissions.

You know, Inoki recently complained that New Japan wasn't producing enough heavyweight prospects, but recently you have Tanahashi, who is already very good and within two years could be awesome, a picture perfect technique wrestler with some great fire and intensity in the making, Suzuki, who has the monster body and is decent in the ring (I'm guessing he'll get to be about as good as Takayama on his best days) and Blue Wolf, who already has the beginings of a monster aura, and should be awesome if given time, great strkes, hard hitting suplexes, intensity, a wild look... he has it all.

Yano seems to be improving at a scary rate; in his debut against Wolf he looked tentative but just four or five matches later he looked confident and worked crisply, selling well. He'll be something one day.

Nakamura has the look like no prospect I've seen in a while, and he draws decent heat against Yasuda in his debut; unless something goes wrong, he too should fantastic.

So, how is Inoki justified?

[RoaringElbow25]

Dragon-rana and Van Terminator

[Tradewynd]

Why does Inoki complain about his heavyweight prospects? It might have something to do with none of them having wins over guys like Sakuraba or Cro Cop. They're not "real" prospects until they win shootfights against the best fighters in the world. Duh.