Rule of thumb: P.W.I. HASN’T got a clue where things stand as far as puroresu goes anymore. So DO NOT take for granted what they say. They must have confused 2 reigns as IWGP champion with 1 reign with the IWGP and another with the NWF belt.
It loox like in 2003 the NWF title was de-unified rouge and then unified again. Takyama is a two time IWGP champ because the title has a direct NWF lineage.
Why isnt Hulk Hogan listed as the first IWGP champion? The IWGP tournament title lineage should be added because it falls along the line of being a unchalendged champion then meeting an automatic title stripping date then trying to fill the auto-vacancy next year.
The International Wrestling Grand Prix was an annual tournament, like the G1, and not a regularly defended title. The tournament and the title have no direct lineage.
The IWGP Title does not have a NWF lineage. They are seperate titles that were unified. Holding the NWF Title before unification does make someone a former IWGP Title after the titles are unified. That would be like saying everyone who held one of the three titles that became the Triple Crown are all former Triple Crown champions because titles they used to hold were later unified to become a different title.
No they wouldnt be Triple Crown champs without the hook. Do you considor Terry Funk a two-time ECW World champion because of his previous ECW heavyweight title win in '93 or would you just call him a one time ECW World champion and one time ECW heavyweight champion? I believe the IWGP title tournament winners should be recognized as ex-IWGP heavyweight champions. Same name same company. The defense restrictions arnt enough to not count it as lineage. So why and how was the NWF title revived/de-unified?
I believe the IWGP title tournament winners should be recognized as ex-IWGP heavyweight champions.
There is the problem. It wasn't called the IWGP "title" tournament. It was just the IWGP Tournament, there was no title or belt. It's official name was the "IWGP League." The G1 Climax has no belt, nor does the Champions Carnival. When a wrestler wins one of those, no one thinks of them as a championship holder. Yes, now the IWGP does sanction a world title, but from 1983 to 1987 it was just a tournament, nothing more.
And as to your other question, yes, most sites do recongnize Funk as a two-time ECW Heavyweight Champion and do not make the distinction as for either the championship had the word "world" in it.
Sigh... But is the word International Wrestling Grand-prix apart of the actual titles name? I think the IWGP title is basically the New Japan International Grand-prix heavyweight title sense there is NO COMPANY named IWGP.
Because New Japan presented a tournameny by the name IWGP and continues to promote the IWGP title without an IWGP promotion I'd say that is a continution. The trophy reward you got should be counted as an IWGP one year run.
But do you kno if Inoki bought up the remains of NWF or just the title?
The reason I brought up the ECW title is because clearly it wasnt a World title for most of its life span. When Snuka first captured the ECW title it was nothing. When Rhino held it it was something. Funk bridges the gap because he won it has a regional title then 4 years later as an actual World title.
Sigh... But is the word International Wrestling Grand-prix apart of the actual titles name? I think the IWGP title is basically the New Japan International Grand-prix heavyweight title sense there is NO COMPANY named IWGP.
You mean you figured that out all on your own? You're a genius
Because New Japan presented a tournameny by the name IWGP and continues to promote the IWGP title without an IWGP promotion I'd say that is a continution. The trophy reward you got should be counted as an IWGP one year run.
You're analyzing this way too much.
But do you kno if Inoki bought up the remains of NWF or just the title?
He bought them out and brought the title to New Japan. I don't think it really matters WHAT he supposedly bought.
The reason I brought up the ECW title is because clearly it wasnt a World title for most of its life span. When Snuka first captured the ECW title it was nothing. When Rhino held it it was something. Funk bridges the gap because he won it has a regional title then 4 years later as an actual World title.
However way you wanna slice it, ECW was ECW (I'm talking about the promotion here, not legal business entities or the parent companies behind them), whether it was called "Eastern" or "Extreme". The "Eastern" title was supposed to be regional because the promotion was under NWA jurisdiction at the time, but then Tod Gordon "folded" it after Shane tossed the NWA belt to the ground and and replaced it with "Extreme" Championship Wrestling with Shane as "world" champion.
You mean you figured that out all on your own? You're a genius
You're analyzing this way too much.
Dont try to make it look like im obsessed Dan. Say something to the anti-Gagner crowd for once instead of me!
He bought them out and brought the title to New Japan. I don't think it really matters WHAT he supposedly bought.
So why does NJ insist on various heavyweight titles? Is a Japanese thing because it just dont make sense!
Originally Posted by Dan Poutsma
However way you wanna slice it, ECW was ECW (I'm talking about the promotion here, not legal business entities or the parent companies behind them), whether it was called "Eastern" or "Extreme". The "Eastern" title was supposed to be regional because the promotion was under NWA jurisdiction at the time, but then Tod Gordon "folded" it after Shane tossed the NWA belt to the ground and and replaced it with "Extreme" Championship Wrestling with Shane as "world" champion.
From 1991 til 1993 the WCW title was supposed to be regional as well. ECW was had a de jure World title from 1997-2001. Funk was champion when the title was jusst regional but captured the upgraded version in '97. Because of that he is either a two-time ECW World champion or a one time ECW heavyweight and ECW World heavyweight champion. Either way he bridged the gap.
B) Funk held both the "Eastern"CW title and "Extreme"CW "World" title, but it's still the "ECW" title regardless of the name or whether it hold's world title status. It's one and the same promotion. As far as I know, nobody here is making a big deal out of this except you.
C) The WCW title was called a "world" title. When WCW initially phased out all mention of the NWA in the very early 90s, they started referring to the NWA World heavyweight champion (who was still officially recognized as such by the National Wrestling Alliance) as the WCW World heavyweight champion and acted as if it were simply a continuation of the same title. This lasted up until 1992 when the NWA title was brought back. In fact, after the championship was resurrected it was primarily referred to as just that: the "NWA title". The WCW title was still recognized as the "World" title.
After Flair came back to WCW in 1993 though and announced he wanted to become a 10 time champion by winning the NWA title, increasing mention was made to it as a "world" championship. So now there was a WCW World champion and an NWA World champion, but the former was still being presented as the top belt. After Flair finally won the NWA title, all of a sudden it was pushed as if it were the undisputed world title while Vader just began being called "WCW champion".
Then things changed again after WCW dropped out of the NWA and Flair's belt became known as just the "World heavyweight title" minus the NWA name. Shortly after he dropped it to Rick Rude, however, it was reduced in stature to just the "Gold Belt". It was stated that the belt did not represent any official championship and that the only "world" title recognized by WCW was Vader's championship. Things took yet another turn shortly after that when it was announced that the "WCW International" board had decided to thumb their nose at WCW proper and recognize Rude as a world champion anyway, and so now there was a WCW World champion and a "WCW International" World champion. From then on, the WCW title received the push as the most important of the two until they were eventually unified at the Clash of the Champions in June 1994.
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