I watched an mma match where Fighter 1 wanted to touch gloves with Fighter 2... (I don't know their names...) Anyway, instead of touching gloves, Fighter 2 gave Fighter 1 a thrust kick that threw Fighter 1 back... Really solid hit. Does that count for points on the judges score card? Do they see it as points for aggression? Or do they deduct points? Anyway, Fighter 1 later got the win via armbar...
How would judges see that piece of action... if the fight went the distance?
How such a strike would be treated probably depends on a number of things.
To avoid this kind of problem, touching gloves is often either prohibited during a bout or enforced at the ref's signal alone (at the beginning of a round or after a break). If it isn't regulated and if a fighter spontaneously offers to touch leather, then there is a problem regarding the exact restart of legal action in the ring.
In MMA, where there are more criteria to judge from than simply counting the scoring strikes, it would probably be slightly less of an issue than in boxing.
But unless Phil Baroni is the judge, I doubt such a cheap shot would be counted positively as aggression or a scoring strike... It would probably be counted negatively as an unfair or illegal advantage and a lack of sportsmanship in the final decision, if it hadn't already be sanctioned by a ref caution or card of some sort.
There's a funny incident along the same lines involving Nicholas Pettas and Jerome LeBanner in a K-1 fight.
Last edited by Dr Feelgood; 2003-10-11 at 08:43 AM.
Hmm... I'm not too familiar with Phil Baroni... could you explain who he is? I've heard of the name before... or come across the name in some article.
I also might see it as unfair advantage but I think it idiotic for a guy to not touch gloves and try to kick the opponent. Can a ref give a card for that? Well, I didn't think it would go that far...
Phil Baroni is pretty infamous now for his stunts and that explains how you point out to Phil and the cheapshot.
An update on that incident I mentioned as I was able to watch the fight again, Fighter 2 actually raised his hands in an attempt to touch the gloves but suddenly dropped it and launched a thrust kick. That's a true mark of a dirty fighter.
Here's more idiotic MMA action that I don't know if the organization should tolerate or act spontaneously... here it is...
(Heck, the organization is full of names I don't know...)
Fighter A and Fighter B face each other in a match... round 1 starts and Fighter A and B decide to keep the fight standing as both throw strikes. Fighter B staggers a little bit and Fighter A rushes for the kill... Fighter B drops to the ground and Fighter A applies GNP to a clearly stunned Fighter B. Ref rushes in to stop the fight. He gives the signal that the fight is over by waiving his hands and calls both fighters to stay in their respective corners... THEN... the ref restarts the fight.
What the hell is this? Can an organization tolerate such officiating? Shouldn't the organizers or the doctors step in and stop the fight even if the ref suggests that the fight restarts?
Another incident in the same evening with THAT same pathetic ref has one fighter (fighter D) who has the back mount on fighter C. Fighter C is flat on the ground and fighter D launches punches at the back of the head of Fighter C (I think it's allowed in this org). Fighter C gets hit and is clearly NOT defending himself. The dumb ref stops the action and brings fighter C to his corner and AGAIN waiving his hands. Fighter D is obviously delighted. The ref restarts the fight and Fighter C wins the match.
Where's the justice in this? Of course the organization can apply sanctions on the ref after the event, but shouldn't they do something about these questionable officiating on the spot? I mean, everyone knows the fight is over, then, the ref restarts it?!
The list of bad decisions from this ref goes all the way from the North pole to the South! What's worse, is I don't really think he improved when I watched the next event he officiated.
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