Ken Vs. Frank

[TALEBOTE_SAN]

Who do you think would win in a fight between Frank Shamrock and Ken Shamrock?

[Colin Douglas]

Frank. Kenny would gas out and have Petey throw in the towel again.

[lCS 39]

i'd say frank, he has more rounded skills and better striking ability, despite ken's low stamina he showed heart against Frye.

[CrimsonMask]

I think Frank is the more skilled and better conditioned fighter... BUT:

He himself has said that he's never been able to take Kenny.

So long from the Sunshine State!

[Colin Douglas]

He has also said he can beat any fighter at any weight.

[TALEBOTE_SAN]

I dont know how much this means but...
Minoru Suzuki fought Ken Shamrock twice and beat him both times. He also fought Frank twice and lost twice. That may not be very logical but thats why I think Frank would win.

[Colin Douglas]

Linear solutions do not work in MMA. Here's a good example:

Belfort destroys Silva
Sak beats Belfort
Silva hospitalizes Sak

[TALEBOTE_SAN]

Good Point. Thinking of that one boggles my mind all the time!

[TALEBOTE_SAN]

Actually here is another one.
Bas Rutten is 0-2 against Ken and 2-1 against Frank

[Luds]

That's true! Linear solutions don't apply! I see only one solution. Have a Kenny vs Frank match!

[edgehead1984]

Frank would demolish Ken.

[niniendo warrior]

Agreed. Linear solution doesn't work in MMA... I think this is mainly due to the fact that fighters are never in a constant level of skill and physical stamina and strength.

Here's my break down of how I see this fight if it DOES happen...

Age is a factor in a Ken v Frank fight. Ken is old... and his stamina won't keep up with Frank's sheer speed.

Both of the fighters are very technical. So in this aspect, the match will show a lot of different moves and strategies. In this respect, Ken is as good as Frank.

Experience also counts a lot. If I'm not mistaken, Frank hasn't fought in a long, long while. Was UFC 22 his last fight? I don't know. But if Frank has ring rust, Ken will have the upper hand.

The stage of the fight is a definite factor. Octagon or ring? This is the ultimate difference as different tactics will work on different arenas. In the octagon, when you have someone on top of you, the fence will help you try to get leverage. No can do in a ring. The ring has other aspects and an example would be when you get cornered, there's always the ropes, (which are much easier to grab than the fence) to keep you from falling. Not to mention that the ring has four corners. So it's a little bit more difficult for someone to put you off. In the octagon, there are no deep corners. So you can trip someone and mount on top similar to what Tito Ortiz did to Jerry Bolander (I'm not sure about the spelling) back at UFC 17 (?)... Ken hasn't had any luck recently on both arenas. Frank has a lot of good memories but his current status as a fighter is a question mark.

Frank's age will probably see him through the fight because he's younger than Ken. He's faster than Ken. And he's also very well trained in mma. So Ken will gas out. Frank will run circles around him and probably take him down. In UFC, I'd say Round 2 stoppage or towel throw in. b In Pride, I'd say Round 1 towel throw or KO.

[mrpayperview]

If the two were to have a match I could only see one result: Frank pulling out the win

[highpriest]

If Ken spent his entire life 'whoopin' up on Frank then he may have a deep rooted psycological advantage. I'm a firm beliver in that much overlooked factor. Having said that though, I don't think that it would be advantage enough to pull out a win over Frank this time. Bottom line: I would put $300 dollars on Frank to go over Ken by submission or decision.

[DANGEROUS DAN]

For those of us who know the shooting world, this has been covered extensively. The histroy between these two is a love/hate relationship. I do not want to judge or assume anything as to th erift between the two and may or may not have caused it. What I do know as covered on the underground forum (MMA.TV) is that there have been two legit shoots (read not practice or training) and Ken got the upper hand on both. Now, I will be the first to admit, (because I have been there)a real fight and a competitive fight are not always the same. Obviously, in a real fight you are not waiting for a tap out so you can walk away and let bygones be bygones. SO what high priest claimed in his post may indeed have some bearing in a competitve fight. There is one other point to make in this equation for you guys to nibble on as well. That is in both legit blow ups, it was during a time period where Ken was obviously heavier and on the juice. If held in a UFC ring (which is the less likely scenario) he could not be 'enhanced' by the juice.