Interview: Nikita Koloff
conducted by
Tim Quinn for
In
His Grip (official on-line newsletter
of Ted DiBiase), May-June, 2001
(Published with
permission from Tim Quinn)
Background:
Stemming from the great
state of, the land of ten thousand lakes, Minnesota; born and raised in the ghettos of
Minneapolis; a product of welfare; and my father left when I was 2; grew
up fatherless; came to Charlotte, North Carolina in 1984 when I broke into
the business of professional wrestling.
Were you born with the name Nikita
Koloff?
I was not born with that name, although I have
both western and eastern European heritage, that was the name I adopted
and legally changed in 1984, when I broke into the wrestling business. I
always tell people "the other guy starved to death"....
So, that’s basically why you changed your name,
"because the other guy starved to death"?
Yeah, he took on a whole new
identity....
What’s your most memorable wrestling
match?
Oh gosh, I don’t know if I could isolate or
single any one particular match in one sense because I have numerous
matches that come to mind.... I’d probably have to answer this way, let me
just say that my first major event was in July of 1985 in front of 30 plus
thousand people wrestled for the world heavy weight title with Rick Flair
would certainly have to be a highlight of the wrestling career as well as
the best of seven series I had against Magnum T.A. for the U.S. Heavy
Weight Title. Those would probably be the two, I guess, that stick out, or
stand out the most....
Who did you most enjoy working with as an
opponent and as a tag team partner?
Of course I tremendously enjoyed working with
Ivan Koloff when I was on the "bad side of the tracks", and I did enjoy
the work when I saw the light and went to the other "side of the tracks"
and teamed up with Dusty Rhodes and we became the "Superpowers". I very
much enjoyed working with Dusty as a tag partner. And on an individual
basis, I’d probably have to say that Rick Flair was probably the number
one, and again, it’s hard to isolate just one, but I would say that Rick
Flair was probably one of the most memorable and favorable to work
with.... although there were, I would make a point of saying the list of
names would be too numerous to mention, of guys that I really enjoyed
working with, I really want to emphasize that: there were quite a few guys
I really enjoyed working with.
You mentioned Magnum T.A. - you became a
"face", or good guy, after Terry had an serious automobile accident (the
story line was that Nikita respected Magnum TA so much, that when Magnum’s
accident caused the end of his career, Nikita took up his banner and
dedicated his own career to Magnum). Were you close to Terry in real
life?
After the accident. Before the accident it was
strictly a professional relationship, and after the accident we drew close
together.
Do you still keep in touch with
him?
Every now and then. Not as often as I probably
should, and his name crops up in conversation, from time to time, people
who’ve bumped into him and he’s asked how I’m doing, or that sort of
thing.... so we might see some mutual business or mutual acquaintances or
friends that we both know, but we have not had direct contact,
so....
Here’s one that we have all wondered, when you
used your "Russian Nightmare" voice, did you ever go
hoarse?
I did not, it was interestingly enough, it was
just something that I developed.... in fact, when I opened up to the
health clubs, I was in the gym from 9:00 a.m. to 9:00 p.m. and it was all
day long I would talk like that, everyday. It was quite a challenge, but
interestingly enough I did not.
When you was at the peak of your career, one
half of the Superpowers, you disappeared from wrestling for
awhile....
Well, I had a my late wife, who eventually died
of cancer, but she had contracted cancer at the age of 24, and I just felt
that my responsibility was to take care of her over my wresting career. A
lot of people in the business couldn’t understand that I would put
something before wrestling. But that’s just how I felt, I just felt in my
heart that I needed to take care of her, her name was Mandy, as best I
could. So I put the wrestling career on hold, I just felt that that was a
higher priority.
And you ended up marrying her best friend,
Victoria, correct?
I did, whom I really got to know for the very
first time, basically, the night before she passed away. (Victoria) was
passing through town moving back from Florida to North Carolina, and
called the hospital and asked if she should stop in. She hadn’t seen Mandy
for close to a year and I said "yes, she would probably really enjoy
that". A little interesting side note: she had always promised Mandy that
if she did die she would do her make-up for the funeral and all that sort
of thing. So, it’s quite interesting how the Lord really worked everything
out because she was there on the day she passed away. She stayed a couple
extra days to do the make-up for the funeral and everything, she stayed
for the funeral...
Why did you leave wrestling on a permanent
basis?
Oh, a multiple of reasons.... probably one of
the biggest reasons would be, it was my goal to leave, retire on top at
age 35, walk away on top. Growing up as a kid I always saw athletes who I
just felt hung around too long, you know what I mean? And I just always
determined in my mind no matter what sport I participated or played in,
that I would walk away from that business on top of the business. You
know, leaving people wanting more than people wanting me to
leave.
And that’s exactly what you
did....
Yeah, and I beat the goal.... I established
that goal when I first broke in 1984 at the age of 24. And I beat the goal
by two years. I was 33 when I retired. That was part of the reason.
Another part of the reason was the travel. I had my first child in 1992.
And, of course, married Victoria in 1990. You know, established a family
of course., she had two older children and we had our first child in ‘92,
so family was a factor, a major factor. Travel, the schedule they had us
on was a major factor. Injuries. I mean, you know, a lot of people think
it’s all just entertainment, but guys, they don’t understand, guys’ll
really get hurt. They don’t seem to understand that, but... So injuries
played a factor,. And so injuries played a factor. And so really, it was a
myriad, or multiple reasons. But number one goal, reason was the goal I
established when I broke in to retire on top of the game by the time I was
35.
Do watch the product they call professional
wrestling today?
I do not. I might catch a glimpse of it every
now and then.... I’ve probably watched a total of 10 to 15 hours in the
past seven years.
What do you think of that product
today?
Uh, I think it’s entertainment with a flavor of
wrestling where it used to be wresting with a flavor of
entertainment.
If I was to compare you with any of today's
wrestling stars, it would be Bill Goldberg. From what you know of him,
what’s your opinion of Mr. Goldberg?
Often imitated, never duplicated..... It is,
biblically speaking, the bible says "nothing new is under the
sun...."
And everything seems to come full circle;
rather it be bell bottom pants, tie-dyed shirts, everything always seems
to come full circle... I have had people say to me, you know, "he’s the
Nikita Koloff of this era" - so to speak. I’ve had people say "boy, I
think he’s studied your films".....
Do you know any active Christian
wrestlers?
The only one that I am aware of, to my
knowledge, is Sting. And I have yet to talk with him about that decision
that he made. That’s through conversation, I guess you’d say, with other
people that I have heard that, but I have yet to talk to him myself....
But as far as I know, he is, he’s it.
So, what are you up to now?
I travel doing more ministry, speaking in
churches, doing motivational seminars in schools and also for businesses,
as well as operating a legal services business called "Pre-paid Legal
Services" my wife and I operate that business. We also have a number of
other guys, other wrestlers involved with us Ted DiBiase, Alfa the wild
Samoan used to be part of the WWF world tag team champs, Alfa and Sika.
Alfa is involved with us. Don Kernodle who used to be one of NWA world tag
team champs with Ivan when I first broke in who was actual instrumental in
training me Don and Ivan were. Don is involved with us now. What we’re
doing is showing these guys that there is life after wrestling. That we
can take the world wide exposure that we had and be able to use that to
their advantage and build them an outside business. So we’re heavily
involved with promoting that business called "Pre-paid Legal
Services".
You also have a ministry with your wife,
Victoria....
Koloff for Christ Ministries...
How did you begin your ministry and can you
give us some details?
Well, again, it’s what I call a real "God
thing".... In 1995 I met an evangelist by the name of Terence Rose, who’s
from South Africa, and ended up in ’95 just feeling led to volunteer my
time with him in serving under his ministry and I did that for 22 solid
weeks. I was just fed the Word of God and grew in my walk, and in the mean
time I was going on a missionary trip here and there, overseas. Today I’ve
been to England, Africa, Singapore, my former homeland - motherland - of
Russia, Trinidad, South America, and the British West Indies, on
missionary trips. And in the meantime I continued to get fed the Word of
God, was growing in my walk. About two and a half years ago I was pulled
out of a crowd of about 600, my wife and I, and a word was spoken over us
that we were called to - you know in the past, even as a youth, I would
rub people the wrong way - they said north and I said south and I’m
thinkin’ yea you’re right on target - that the Lord was going to use that
to break down denominational barriers. And within three to four weeks of
that word spoken to us, the phone began to ring, just literally. Two and a
half years later it hasn’t stopped ringing; I have now ministered
in 14 different denominations. I have yet to call one pastor, the Lord has
just opened doors for them to call me - they get my number somehow and
call me.
We do a number different ministries, of course
I just preach, that’s one of the ministries is come in and preach to a
church. But also, my wife does women’s workshops and her and I together do
marriage enrichment workshops. We also do a wrestling outreach - we
literally bring the ring in, bring in a wrestling crew, we entertain them
with matches and we transition it to the gospel. And we’ve had as many as
130 people come to ringside for salvation.
When and why did you give our life to Jesus and
how has He worked in your life?
October 1993. In a condensed version: I left my
last match in November of ‘92, and early ‘93 was when I made the final
decision that I was not going to go back. And, of course, going from
traveling 25 days a month to having 30 days a month at home... a lot of
time of thought, and reflecting on all the accomplishments that I had done
by the age of 33: traveling all over the world and making thousands of
dollars, owning fancy cars and big houses, having a beautiful family and
the just whole packaging.... And all the titles and the accolades that
came along with the fanfare and worldwide notoriety. Looking at that and
all the achievements I’ve (had) athletically and academically - I’ve
climbed the ladder of success, if you will, you know, reached the
pinnacle, but yet something was still missing. And some friends through
business had invited us to the church a couple of different times and
October ’93 my wife said "let’s go check out that church" - it was the
First Assembly Of Concorde... And we went to that service and on that
particular Sunday morning.... My wife said she knew something was up when
I put a hundred dollar bill in the offering plate, she said "a dollar bill
maybe, but a hundred dollar bill; I knew something was going on".... And,
quite frankly, at the end of that service, the pastor asked the question
"is there anyone here who has never accepted Jesus Christ as their
personal Savior" and in an instant I just knew - I knew what was missing
in my life really to fill that void: it was that personal relationship,
had never accepted Christ as my Savior... Without hesitation, I think I
may have even been the first one to the altar. As Ric Flair used to say
"To be the man you’ve got to beat the man and walk that aisle..." Well, I
walked an aisle and it wasn’t to beat the man, but meet the man - the champion for the world, Jesus Christ. I bowed a knee to Christ
that day and wept like a baby, and that was the beginning of the journey.
And from that point on, for the last seven years, it’s just been a
phenomenal journey.
Do you pray with your wife?
Yes
Why?
You know, the enemy’s goal is to divide and
conquer. And, it starts in the home - if he can keep couples from praying
together, he’s got a
lot better chance of dividing that family and conquering that family. The
act of praying together strengthens both the walk of the husband and the
wife. Of course, my wife and I have our own private mediation study time
and prayer time as well..... And what that does, if you were to look at
the shape of a triangle and you got the husband and wife on the bottom and
God on the top and both are focused on the Lord as they grow in their
personal walks and move up the triangle, obviously it develops not only
that personal relationship with God, it also strengthens the horizontal
relationship with husband and wife. And so the more we pray together as a
couple, it just solidifies that bond that we have in that individual
relationship that we are growing with the Lord.
What does it mean to be saved?
Eternal life first and foremost. The ability to
be born twice and dying once as opposed to being born once and dying
twice. Spend an eternity with Jesus Christ. I can only imagine the joy
that will bring to spend an eternal lifetime with Him, number one. And
then the pleasure and joy of this lifetime and seeing other lives
dramatically changed. As recent as last Friday night in our home, and this
is just how good God is, we had a business function and when it was all
over we had an opportunity to lead a young man, who was a professed
atheist, to the Lord and prayed that prayer of salvation with him that
night. He came into our house, very evidently heavy burdened in his life,
not knowing the Lord or having that personal relationship with Him. I saw
him the next morning where his whole continence, his whole radiance, the
bounce in his step, it was just very obvious that a transformation had
taken place - so much so that he came to me and said "can I go to church
with you tomorrow..." Which he did. He came to church with me the next
day, Sunday. And I gave him a bible and a friend of mine picked him up
Saturday morning and he was reading the bible. Sunday after church he told
me "I want to go to that bible study Friday evening..." It’s just the
opportunity to see that transformation in another individual is such a
humble opportunity, it’s hard to put it into words - it’s just phenomenal
to be a part of that and know that I’m eternally effecting the building of
the kingdom and it’s exciting to be a warrior on the front line. Every
time I consider the opportunity and privilege to stand at a pulpit and
share the Gospel and share my story, I’m excited all over
again.
If an unsaved person wants to be saved, what
must he or she do?
As I explained to that young man Friday night,
man has complicated the relationship with God, with Jesus Christ, and
really it’s a simple prayer - a tremendously simple prayer, in that it’s
just a matter of saying "Jesus, I want you to come into my life, I heard
about you, I heard of you, I’ve heard your name mentioned...." Maybe you
haven’t heard the name of Jesus mentioned.... But it’s about saying
"Jesus, I would like you to come into my life, I would like you to cleanse
me of the sin I committed in my life because I have been a sinner and I
want you to forgive me for that sin. Live in me and be a part of my life
so that I may live for you all the days of my life." It’s no more
complicated than that, "in Jesus’ name, amen". It’s just as simple as
that, and the key is that you have to mean it in your heart, it can’t just
be words, you have to actually mean it in your heart. Just like that young
man did Friday night and your life will be transformed, it will be
changed. There may not be any bells and whistles or firecrackers going
off, but you will know, without a shadow of a doubt, that your life has
been changed.
What is the most rewarding part of what you’re
doing today?
I’m rewarded on two ends. On the ministry end
of course, seeing the number of people who are coming to the alter for
salvation is incredibly rewarding, but I couldn't begin to put a price-tag
on number one. Number two. On the business end, we’re bringing a valuable
service to the market place that has been long over due. That the number
of testimonies coming back from people who have called in or E-mailed,
that have wrote in saying Thank You for telling us about that service
because it helped them this way or it helped their family that way. As you
know there are tons and tons of legal issues that are out there now a days
and one of the thing about the service is that it makes legal expenses
affordable. Where as in the past people have been price out of the legal
system. Too much law for those who can afford it and to little for those
who can't.
Talk a little bit about your book what it’s
about, how we can get it.
I’m extremely excited about it. I’m no author.
In fact I often joke about that wrestlers can't read, let alone write. I
felt that the Holy Spirit lead and I put this book together in about a
weeks time. I’ve had tremendous feed back on it. It’s called "Breaking the
Chains" a hand book to Christian Living. It’s really designed for the new
convert or the person that has been a Christian for 20 years. I’ve had
both read the book and the mature Christian said that it was really
thought provoking it challenged me. The new Christian said it was kind of
a guideline to where I need to go and the next step to my Christian walk.
It really covers all the bases there. That’s the first one "Breaking the
Chains". It’s available right now on the Internet through (at his
website). That’s the only place right now that it is available. I’m going
to make it available on the Internet to be down loaded. We’re in the
process of working on that. I’m in the process of writing the
autobiography. "Breaking the Chains" has a brief bio, but the
autobiography will go into much more detail on the life and times of
Nikita Koloff.
Ted has thought about putting together a
wrestling outreach in the same mold as the power team - would you be
interested in helping with a program like that?
Well, he and I have talked about it for
probably close to two years now, and I just told him "when you’re ready,
I’m ready". We’ve done a couple events together that have been very packed
and very powerful. Whenever the Lord opens that door.... and I’ve told the
Lord "when you open that door, I’m ready" because with the popularity of
wrestling it’s such a natural it’s not even funny.
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